Curse

cellardweller · Aug 18, 2008, 10:23 AM // 10:23

I have had issues with ranged heroes standing at the back of the aggro bubble twiddling their thumbs instead of attacking when flagged since the update.

TheodenKing · Aug 18, 2008, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by Pesi

its not the heroes that are the problem.... figure the rest out urself

You are correct , Sir.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

I dare you to take Devona and/or Talon and/or Stefan and/or Tom or any hero hench set on Guard and not swear at least once per 15 minutes. I DARE YOU. Do it now. And then apologize for your ignorance.

Ahem... When you "ping" a target, the AI on the melee heroes and henchmen will cause the problem you are claiming is not your fault. So stop doing that, then apologize to Pesi.

TheodenKing · Aug 18, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

I have had issues with ranged heroes standing at the back of the aggro bubble twiddling their thumbs instead of attacking when flagged since the update.

"Avoid" = "twiddle thumbs"

Abedeus · Aug 18, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

You are correct , Sir.

So he is correct and 75% of people that voted are not. Woopie.

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Ahem... When you "ping" a target, the AI on the melee heroes and henchmen will cause the problem you are claiming is not your fault. So stop doing that, then apologize to Pesi.

No shiat. What if they attack not called target. What if they ignore called target. WHAT IF I DON'T CALL AND THEY RUSH LIKE IDIOTS?

So what do you call this? WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS? Do I have to really use caps lock/shift so you can understand that THERE IS a huge problem with AI?

Trylo · Aug 18, 2008, 02:13 PM // 14:13

pyre has run halfway across the HB map when set to guard, and his pet even further. i am not ok with that.

also i have noticed the cancel action bug, its not ok either. it can literally cost you the whole match.

Tyla · Aug 18, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

/Signed.

I've not H/H'd yet, but judging from the complaints it doesn't sound very good.

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Originally Posted by TheodonKing

"Avoid" = "twiddle thumbs"

This only applies to Monks, and can only be set on your heroes. Avoid makes them not play offensively and kite.

Henchmen are all set to Guard, except for the melee ones. (I'm not completely sure on this one myself)

LeugiM · Aug 18, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Melee heroes and henchman suck, don't use them

Shadowhaze · Aug 18, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Yes!
...at least the melee chars. lol. They love to run into mobs and aggro lots more it seems. -_- And I have them on guard.

And some of the casters just stand there sometimes...no, I don't have them on avoid.

N1ghtstalker · Aug 18, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

yes! PLS YES!
the henches are too retarded now!
devona is out of control
she just runs of to do whatever she wants, i just was in tahnakai and she just thinks it's fun to run into two groups of jade brotherhood almost wiping my party with their dragon stomps
wth!
/signed

Stolen Souls · Aug 18, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Overall, they were better before the update.

I noticed SOME positive changes...someone mentioned that they are being pre-protted. I noticed this when I take a prot henchman with me. They throw prot spirit on me just before engaging.

However, this does not outweigh the negatives...which were all mentioned in the thread about it.

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Ahem... When you "ping" a target, the AI on the melee heroes and henchmen will cause the problem you are claiming is not your fault. So stop doing that, then apologize to Pesi.

Ahem...if you took the time to browse the thread about this/knew anything about the problem...you'd see that the issue is they are running off and engaging even without a target being pinged. Hell, they are running off and engaging when they are FLAGGED BACK. There are screenshots of the melee henchman running off by himself and getting killed.

Yes, please revert them. Or at LEAST acknowledge it and fix the damn things...

wyrd · Aug 18, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

I think the new AI updates work well for the most part.
I voted keep the new AI just tweak it some more.
They are likely doing that for GW2 and this update is just a beta test start on AI reworking and improvements

pamelf · Aug 18, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

I do belive the update was meant to improve heroes...where pray tell was the improvement?

januscht · Aug 18, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

seriously, anerf didnt make any Ai improvement b/c it seems they cant do it without making AN EPIC MESS, we havent hear an explanation of any kind about the casting loop bug for example, i supose they have notized this STUPID MESS but they dont want to admit it, their ai programming just SUCKS BAD

/ROLLBACK AI YOU MORONS

MithranArkanere · Aug 18, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

My only concern is MM heroes going back to lost minions to use Death nova.

"Ok, mate we leave them, let them be! There's no need to go back 2 radars to use that stupid skill you should not use out of battle".

Trylo · Aug 18, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

ive lost 2 hero battles now because of kahmu spazzing out trying to use a heal skill then dying. ive also seen talkh and dunk exhibit this behavior. i think it might be linked to signets because ive had morghan spaz out on signet of synergy and another hero with plague signet (however ive seen this happen with 10e spells often too...)

ive had the most trouble with pyre as he decides to totally leave his post and run all the way across the map. not an exaggeration. all the way across. on guard. its not as prominent in jin or margrid, but theyre not as scary as pyre is so i want pyre back please.

also, about the preprotting, i noticed that before the update. especially in HA when livia casted WoW on me and the other monk before we were even hit by an enemy that was running towards us. however i think talkhora is better at protting now, she caught a rspike!

-Makai- · Aug 18, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

/signed a million times over

Barrett · Aug 18, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

i say yes revert them back!

they fixed the flagging (TOO MUCH)

i flag my heroes behind me and if any casters use AoE skills they just sit in them

yes we complained when the heroes ran all over place when flag was still on but,
when they just sit inside AoE's its plain dumb...

Marverick · Aug 18, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

The only problem I've had with heroes so far is an MM sac'ing himself to death... which is not exactly new. I don't get why everyone else is complaining. Stop using melee heroes/henchies; they need a massive overhaul before they become even marginally useful anyway.

-Makai- · Aug 18, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Marverick

The only problem I've had with heroes so far is an MM sac'ing himself to death... which is not exactly new. I don't get why everyone else is complaining. Stop using melee heroes/henchies; they need a massive overhaul before they become even marginally useful anyway.

It's not just melee heroes/henchmen that are affected by this...nearly every aspect is bugged in some way.

Draikin · Aug 18, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Leave the AI as it is and simply fix the two newly introduced bugs.